Noel Fogelman: The last time Garth Snow was a deadline buyer

Nice job Noel. Tough call for Garth. I can understand not wanting to go overboard for Duchene or Landes.

hmmmm, kept saying not overpaying for 2 players who arent in top 10 of their position. As much as i hate Garf, there's no reason to overpay on nice players...

I think all of those who don't think Landes, Duchene, or Mac is Elite will be eating those words if We make the trade. They are extremely talented NHL players and we should try very hard to make a move to get one.

I would look into a cheaper option as a backup. I'd see what Dallas would want for Sharp or Eaves. The key here is not to give up a first round pick because if I'm not mistaken if Islanders don't make the playoffs, they are in the draft lottery.

The only bad part of the Ryan Smyth debacle was they bought out Yashin in hopes to entice him to sign... Dangling the Captaincy in front of him too.. The whole world said he was going back to Canada..."Captain Canada". signed with Avs... eff him.

(and before all the "Yashin sux" replies come at me. He had 50 points in 58 games that season. He was still a very good hockey player. They still had to pay the guy for years. If no Smyth.. they would have had him continue to play.)

The only bad part of the Ryan Smyth debacle was they bought out Yashin in hopes to entice him to sign... Dangling the Captaincy in front of him too.. The whole world said he was going back to Canada..."Captain Canada". signed with Avs... eff him.

(and before all the "Yashin sux" replies come at me. He had 50 points in 58 games that season. He was still a very good hockey player. They still had to pay the guy for years. If no Smyth.. they would have had him continue to play.)
- niteislander

Not sure, Yashin wasnt the type of player that was able to make players around him better, his style was that Yashin needed to play with skill players to generate his pts.
Smyth was a douche but cant fault the team for trying at that point in time....

I would look into a cheaper option as a backup. I'd see what Dallas would want for Sharp and the rights to Nuskushin. The key here is not to give up a first round pick because if I'm not mistaken if Islanders don't make the playoffs, they are in the draft lottery.
- kear20

Not sure, Yashin wasnt the type of player that was able to make players around him better, his style was that Yashin needed to play with skill players to generate his pts.
Smyth was a douche but cant fault the team for trying at that point in time....
- Ur Not Me

Yashin made jason blake a 40 goal scorer. Looking at the other wingers he played with...well, you can't make gold out of turds.

Yashin made jason blake a 40 goal scorer. Looking at the other wingers he played with...well, you can't make gold out of turds.
- Isles_since_6

Yashin had what 3-4 good years maybe out of his extension? Team had better than decent talent at that time, when it left, he couldnt produce a lick....


my bad, just looked, it was really his first 2yrs w/team, rest was ok and only lasted 3yrs after, total of 5yrs....

Not sure, Yashin wasnt the type of player that was able to make players around him better, his style was that Yashin needed to play with skill players to generate his pts.
Smyth was a douche but cant fault the team for trying at that point in time....
- Ur Not Me

Really? Jason Blake had 40 goals on his wing at 38 years old until those dopes in Toronto gave him 5 years at 5 mill a year. .

IMHO...i would love to see landeskog or duchene on the isls. i would have no problem giving them pelech or de haan, this yrs 1 rd pick, and ho-sang or hamonic and de colle but no pick. if the cost was more than that i wouldn't do it and if some how we could include halak and get a 3rd round back it works for me. this years draft isn't very deep and you never know if the pick ever pans out. worth a shot.

Yashin had what 3-4 good years maybe out of his extension? Team had better than decent talent at that time, when it left, he couldnt produce a lick....


my bad, just looked, it was really his first 2yrs w/team, rest was ok and only lasted 3yrs after, total of 5yrs....
- Ur Not Me

Yashin was a very solid producer and a big reason they made the playoffs 2 seasons in a row. When He was bought out and Smyth did not sign we sucked for a long time again. Look at his numbers in Russia.. he was still an elite player. the only reason they bought him out was in hopes to get Smyth to sign as a captain.. it was a very stupid move.

Really? Jason Blake had 40 goals on his wing at 38 years old until those dopes in Toronto gave him 5 years at 5 mill a year. .
- niteislander

So 1 player is the standard of Yashin being great, OK....
Blake was a player that was getting better each year and had 1 breakout year, so now Yashin is the king, ok again....

Yashin was a product of Alfie & Hossa in OTT

IMHO...i would love to see landeskog or duchene on the isls. i would have no problem giving them pelech or de haan, this yrs 1 rd pick, and ho-sang or hamonic and de colle but no pick. if the cost was more than that i wouldn't do it and if some how we could include halak and get a 3rd round back it works for me. this years draft isn't very deep and you never know if the pick ever pans out. worth a shot.
- nyislsbossy

I want one of those 2 on this team... It would make us exponentially better going forward. IF I had to give up a few Decent players/ good prospects for one of them I am fine.

Yashin was a very solid producer and a big reason they made the playoffs 2 seasons in a row. When He was bought out and Smyth did not sign we sucked for a long time again. Look at his numbers in Russia.. he was still an elite player. the only reason they bought him out was in hopes to get Smyth to sign as a captain.. it was a very stupid move.
- niteislander

I'll go w/Peca instead ....

I'll go w/Peca instead ....
- Ur Not Me

I loved Peca.. but it was the 2 of them that gave us 2 solid lines that could produce. While Peca's line did not score as much they had a much better +/- every game.

I got no faith in Snow at all. He loves drafting and loves to baby his picks. I honestly feel he will do nothing.

I also believe he should be on the hot seat. He has failed at keeping guys here and letting guys go for nothing. I always said he would be a great ADL GM but NHL GM in my opinion he has failed. He can redeem himself this year and make a splash but I doubt he will

Both eaves and sharp are ufa's and are gonna bolt if we trade for them. Why give up prospects for rentals that aren't going to get us the cup? That's just dumb, you trade for Duchene or landeskog because they have term and you're getting them for a few years and it's more of a long term fix. I'm fine parting with a few players and pick ( prefer not barzal or pulock obviously) because these are assets we can keep, big difference. Let's say we get duchene and we miss playoffs or lose in first round, we still have him on the team and can look to add to him in the off-season. for me it's a no brainer as this makes you better in the long run, sharp and eaves do not.

Duchene would be an impact player on offense but he would not be able to improve on the defensive mistakes they commit against the high skill teams and Greiss is still unproven as a number one who can finish this season and do a playoff run. Their top pick forwards are better than Nilsson or Omara. Unless JT has them under pressure, I hope he wants to lead this team for years to come and Weight may be there for the long haul as well.

Both eaves and sharp are ufa's and are gonna bolt if we trade for them. Why give up prospects for rentals that aren't going to get us the cup? That's just dumb, you trade for Duchene or landeskog because they have term and you're getting them for a few years and it's more of a long term fix. I'm fine parting with a few players and pick ( prefer not barzal or pulock obviously) because these are assets we can keep, big difference. Let's say we get duchene and we miss playoffs or lose in first round, we still have him on the team and can look to add to him in the off-season. for me it's a no brainer as this makes you better in the long run, sharp and eaves do not.
- Upstate_isles

I'm also not interested in rentals. Isles are not a player away. I'm fine with making a move around Hamonic, but not Nelson and MDC and Pulock. Would this deal even work with the Cap and would not Col have to take back salary?

Rentals are for teams who have a shot at actually winning the cup (Minnesota, Pens, Hawks, Caps)

We should not trade for Sharp or any rental it would be completely stupid, we may not even make the playoffs.

Someone with term or stand pat.

Both eaves and sharp are ufa's and are gonna bolt if we trade for them. Why give up prospects for rentals that aren't going to get us the cup? That's just dumb, you trade for Duchene or landeskog because they have term and you're getting them for a few years and it's more of a long term fix. I'm fine parting with a few players and pick ( prefer not barzal or pulock obviously) because these are assets we can keep, big difference. Let's say we get duchene and we miss playoffs or lose in first round, we still have him on the team and can look to add to him in the off-season. for me it's a no brainer as this makes you better in the long run, sharp and eaves do not.
- Upstate_isles

Neither are very good anyway. They are both just as likely to get hurt and miss the playoffs as they are to have a real, positive impact on the Islanders. Not to mention Sharp will probably cost a 1st round pick and another asset.

I'm also not interested in rentals. Isles are not a player away. I'm fine with making a move around Hamonic, but not Nelson and MDC and Pulock. Would this deal even work with the Cap and would not Col have to take back salary?
- ses111

Well that's probably why Nelson was going the other way but Duchesne is an upgrade and if they can resign him then it could be worth it. Still think garth is under pressure to make a move because owners want a splash

Well that's probably why Nelson was going the other way but Duchesne is an upgrade and if they can resign him then it could be worth it. Still think garth is under pressure to make a move because owners want a splash
- Upstate_isles

Well hopefully the new owners can exercise the patience needed to do the right thing. Giving up the world for Duchene is not the right move.

I haven't really said this openly yet, but don't be surprised if we find out that the Islanders are players for Tyler Johnson, too. He's not Duchene, but would be a really, really good 1B option for the 2nd line center spot.